Duality


Working the logic both ways

The basic premise (my truth) is that we have two cognitive minds which give us two perspectives on the world. We project these perspectives onto whatever we perceive and see giving us the illusion that the world is of a dual nature. These two perspectives are not two sides of the same coin but the same side of the same coin, the other side being reality. Yin IS the right mind’s perspective. Yang IS the left minds perspective.

Consider Chinese medicine in which the object is to balance the Qi to the Yin and the Yang. Another aspect of the difference between Oriental and Western medicine can be described as Oriental treats the Yang and Western treats the Yin. Everything in the universe can be described in terms of Yin or Yang. This is one of the underlying philosophies of Oriental Medicine. Yin is the feminine qualities in the universe, Yang is the masculine qualities.

Consider sight, this right side of this graphic illustrates what is happening in the right mind, (perception) an ever present “now”. The left side illustrates what is happening in the left mind, an interpretation which discards the “now” and adds time and color so as to better “make sense of” motion. Neither of these perspectives is reality but only a perception and interpretation of reality.

Consider society. In western society we have the hipostatized belief in the state and it’s institutions, ignoring the self as constitute part of the whole. In eastern society there is a hipostatized belief in the self, ignoring the whole. It would seem that a definition of civilization would be the ability of the hyper-males to shut down one of the minds, creating a permanent “slave” class. (idiots). In the west is the aristotelean brain fart, in the east the taoist brain fart. Acculturation IS indocrination. Now it is education in earlier times it was religion.

Consider world view, the lion and the lamb exist within all of us, and one or the other must be shut down by the hyper-males to maintain control, and keep primacy in the banana and poon-tang receiving departments. Either top down or bottom up thinking must be shut down, so as to imprint a cultural view in which a hipostatized belief system can replace one or the other mind’s interpretation of reality. While we are part of the state, the state is the summation of us, maintaining it’s illusory reality.

Consider calculus. Integral calculus IS bottom up thinking as applied to euclidean geometry. Differential calculus IS top down thinking as applied to euclidean geometry. BUT euclidean geometry ain’t real, but only an interpretation of a perception of reality which also ain’t real. This is why Milo wolf was able to come to a better understanding of the nature of the universe, he used algebra, eschewing calculus. Or consider Ted Lumley’s question “is space making electrons or are electrons making space” YES!!! Space IS the summation of electrons. An interesting possibility is vector calculus. hyperphysics Wild Joyride

This holds true for any view of any problem. We project this dual view of reality onto reality, whereas, in fact, no duality exists. The Aristotelian brain fart. brain-fart

The point of this rambling incoherent dissertation is that the logic must be worked both ways. Consider the image, the ocean causes the waves, BUT the waves constitute the ocean. The waves and the ocean are only two perspectives of the sea, BOTH entirely inside the skull. Without the waves, the ocean cannot exist. Without the ocean the waves cannot exist. non-dualism

So I call reality (or any system) the “big hoochie koochie” composed of “little hoochie koochies”. The logic must be worked both ways.

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OPL walt

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  • Anonymous  On October 27, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    walt,

    yes, i agree with this triadic understanding.

    ‘organisation’ must have a source of origination. in the case of a collective we can impute the source of organisation to originate from the collective (‘wholism’ wherein we see the parts as being directed by the whole (as in socialism wherein we impute ‘self’ to ‘collective’ and organise by pursuing the self-interest of the collective). alternatively, in ‘capitalism’ we impute the source of organisation to be the ‘individual’ and organise by unleashing the pursuit of individual self-interest.

    neither of these understandings of ‘organisation’ are reality (the ‘reality’ of our natural experience). the reality of the unfolding collective of storm-cells in the atmosphere is neither that the storm-cells are locally originating disturbances that are responsible for the organisation of the full cell collective, nor that the interacting collective of cells is the primary source of organisation (the mistake here is in trying to attribute origination of behaviour to local visible forms). in fact, the cells, seen either as individuals and/or as a collective, are SECONDARY to the invisible flow-field, the resonant-energy-charged space in which they are included flow features.

    the source of organisation is thus ‘invisible’, ‘non-material’ and ‘non-local’ (many people thus choose to call the source of the unfolding ‘God’. Darwinists, having built their view on a foundation of local ‘cells’ and/or ‘organisms’ call the source of organisation ‘random chance variation’ arising from the interactions of the cells).

    both the wholistic and materialistic views of the sourcing of organisation (which equate to ‘communism’ and ‘capitalism’ in western political views) employ a foundation of ‘local visible objects/agents’, rather than acknowledging the primacy of energy-charged space in which the ‘local’ character of the objects/organisms/systems is ‘delusion’ that comes from our equating of ‘what we can see’ with ‘reality’, forcing us to re-render the world dynamic of our experience in terms of notional ‘local’, ‘independently-existing material systems’ (individual- or collective-driven) that we notionally equip with ‘their own locally originating behaviour’ (called ‘life’, a God-like power, in the case of what we call the ‘animate world’ which we can impute to reside in ‘Gaia’ [the collective] or in the individual cells [genes] or in the lesser Gaia collective we call ‘the organism’ or ‘life-form’).

    acknowledging the primacy of ‘field’ in Nature (resonant-energy-charged space), which has no need, in its foundations, for ‘local being’ and/or ‘locally originating behaviour’, resolves the confusing of idealisation for reality that is the source of rising dysfunction in the world (i.e. accepting that our habit of imputing locally originating organisational power to either collectives or local individual agents, is idealisation [however useful in support mode] that we confuse for reality.

    in short, i agree with your above summary.

    ted

  • Anonymous  On October 27, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    Hi mr Ted
    Yup!!! the word is not the concept. It’s the same concept wrapped in different words. For those of you who don’t know (like me) this is a definition.

    Triadic – Reciprocal determinism is the theory set forth by psychologist Albert Bandura that a person’s behavior both influences and is influenced by personal factors and the social environment.

    I always learn something from Mr Ted.
    walt

  • Anonymous  On October 27, 2010 at 4:39 pm

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    Mr Ted
    looked at that review, i liked your’s better. If one asks the question, “is it socialism or capitalism which is corrupt?” the answer is yes.

    *this is what makes it ‘GOD-like’ (absolute in what it ‘asserts’ to be ‘true’).*
    *we now have a whole that is ‘local’*

    yes, TRUTH instead of truth.

    *mysterious constant* Yes, we always seem to have these kludges to balance the equations like neutrons, dark matter, etc

    What do you think of these exerpts from Mr Sid (not an idiot. ) found here

    http://sidhere.com/flow-of-life/native-americans/

    *Many tribes used symbols to record their history… the right hemisphere cannot think in words, it only thinks in symbols.*

    I used to think this myself, you seem to think in concepts

    *The Native Americans have a sacred culture consistent with the right brain…if the left brain collapses there is an experience of no-thing and with it the end of duality.*

    If this happens in western civilization, we have an idiot savant. or a JBT. in eastern civilization the “buddha mind”. HMM!!!

    It would seem that there is need for a new lexicon. Western civilization seems crazy to me, I can’t imagine how bizarre it seems to you. As big AL said, “we need a new way of thinking”. something which incorporates the power of civilization with the finesse of the amerind. or put an outboard on the sailboat that we can kick in as needed. We don’t need power for nature, but to compete with civilization (in it’s present forms). Which brings us to the question,”Just what, Mr Ted, exactly, would you have your midwife deliver?” The Maori have an interesting worldview. If they had guns they wouldn’t have lost New Zealand. and they still maintain their “father sky”/mother earth. The idea of the “noble savage” is a myth. They like to fight as much as anyone else. War is part of the human condition, and is OK as long as we just make war on each other and not the earth. Yes much to ponder.

    walt
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    emile On May 31, 2010 at 9:28 pm

  • Anonymous  On October 27, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    walt,

    our agreement is pretty ‘complete’ and the differences in ‘detail’ don’t seem to be able to revoke the gross agreement; i.e. our agreement may ‘form’ at the pre-lingual level.

    nevertheless, i can’t help but explore our ‘differences’ in our respect manner of referencing things to ‘the brain’. for my part, i can understand ‘portraying’ the ‘left brain’ as a ‘logical processing unit’ but i don’t see anything that i would call a ‘right brain’; i.e. i don’t see ‘two different types of processing units’, one that performs top-down logic and the other that performs bottom-up logic. what i see, in place of ‘right brain’ is a conjugate habitat-inhabitant relational sensing that is no longer a physically formed ‘body organ’ but an awareness of being inextricably included in the ceaselessly innovative unfolding continuum of nature. if you like, an awareness of the storm-cell, of being a flow-feature in the unfolding flow of the atmosphere.

    the following observation, to me, blows a hole in any theory, such as darwin’s, that fails to acknowledge the role of ‘field/s’ in evolution (the general world dynamic);

    “Space biomedical researchers have found that exposure to the microgravity environment of space causes men and women of all ages to lose up to 1% of their bone mass per month. … This loss occurs because the absence of Earth’s gravity disrupts the process of bone maintenance in its major function of supporting body weight.” http://weboflife.nasa.gov/currentResearch/currentResearchGeneralArchives/weakKnees.htm

    the implication is that sensing inclusion in a field is something built into every body cell (e.g. when the head of a frog is severed from its body and a drop of acid placed on its skin, the body of the brainless, headless frog knows where it is and uses its feet to try to remove it).

    ok, i will accept that ‘right lobe relational awareness’ permeates the very fabric of the organism, but i don’t see it as ‘another logical unit’ that handles the ‘bottom-up’ logic. sid makes a lot of his own assumptions to associate ‘spirituality’ with a brain lobe;

    “Native American spiritual people have developed methods to deal with this competition of the hemispheres. Since the spiritual side of the brain is the right side …”

    who says the spiritual aspect ‘derives’ from a ‘brain lobe’?

    there is ‘bottom-up LOGIC’ that corresponds to ‘holism’ or ‘Gaia’ that is still a theological concept (locally originating first-cause creative power). our pre-lingual natural EXPERIENCE is itself ‘bottom-up’ in the sense of an awareness of a conjugate habitat-inhabitant relation. it is an outside and back in again’ (inclusional) awareness, rather than an inside and back out again (analytical) calculated fact. if you ask me, the logic processing unit in the brain does both differential (top-down) and integral (bottom-up) calculus. the integrating aspect we impute to the right lobe of the brain is calculative and doesn’t ‘give itself up’ to an awareness of inclusion as experienced/sensed by a flow-feature (one of many mutually including flow-features) in the common mother flow (the resonant energy charged mother-space).

    we don’t ‘see’ this mutual inclusion or polyphrenicity (it is invisible and field-based). all that our visual senses can bring to us is the movement of visible material. it is on this visible-material basis that we see four storm-cells as four ‘local’ and apparently ‘independently existing’ dynamic forms, apparently, with their own ‘locally originating’ behaviours.

    the idea of local first cause originating of anything is a theological concept, an ‘idealisation’ that cannot be shown to exist in nature. the farmer correlates his intentions to grow corn(he imputes God-like local origination to his thought and action) with the ‘resulting’ crop of corn. but in reality, in the unfolding continuum of nature, the corn emerged and later man emerged thus corn is a brother in the web-of-life (corn, beans and squash are, to the amerindians, their ‘three sisters’). man does not ‘produce corn’, nature produces corn and nature produces man, as well. they interact within the web-of-life and thus it oversimplifies to say that man is a higher life form (because corn is a passive slave that accepts man’s manipulation).

    sid says; “if the left brain collapses there is an experience of no-thing and with it the end of duality”, … but i would say; ‘if we (the workman who wields the left brain tool) suspend our use of this tool, we understand the thingless-connectedness of space and our conjugate habitat-inhabitant relation therein. ‘duality’ does not ‘end’. instead, the notional ‘absoluteness’ of the difference from which ‘duality’ springs is subsumed as we acknowledge that the flow-habitat and the flow-features-inhabitants are not ‘separate things’ but are how we, the observer, visually differentiate the fluidly unifying spatial-continuum of nature.

    our experience informs us of our conjugate habitat-inhabitant relation [not our ‘right brain’ which, as a tool, may, like a child proud of what it has taught itself, tell us what we already understand from our experience] and our awareness of inclusion in nature; an awareness that permeates every cell in our body (our inertial substance) and which associates with ‘spirituality’.

    the brain and its role as ‘informer’, insofar as it imbues in us a sense of God-like local origination of ideas and actions, is what keeps us captive to dysfunction. the sovereign state’s (theological) notion of a ‘central regulatory authority’ (central source of intention) is the same sort of idealized ‘tool’ that seems to run away with the workman; i.e. we ‘make it all up’ and present it as truth from the notional centre of the local self, and we believe it; why not? it would be a waste of time and effort making it up if we were not then going to believe it. that is the gist of a comment i just posted at http://readersupportednews.com/opinion/33-33/2080-memorial-day

    # emile 2010-05-31 09:59
    As is suggested in ‘Custer Died For Our Sins’, winners glorify their fallen soldiers even if their mission is genocide. And as historians of law observe, ‘sovereigntism’ , the dividing up of people into ‘we’-‘they’ groups defined by ‘imaginary-line-boundaries’ and self-‘declarations of independence’ is a ‘theological concept’ supported by nothing other than ‘common belief’ backed by violence. Our natural experience is that of living in an unbounded interdependent web-of-life (deer, birds, insects, winds and rivers ignore the sovereigntist boundaries). Enobling the valor of fallen warriors who seek to protect their family and community is as old as animals/men (and makes no distinction between winners and losers), but it is a recipe for hell-on-earth to enoble theological/sovereigntist pursuit of ‘OUR GOOD’ and unleash a multiplicity of armies believing that their theological self-’declarations of independence’ take priority over an innate-in-nature interdependence /connectedness.
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    some posts comment on ‘the way it is’ while others (mine included) comment on the way we come to understand ‘the way it is’. we are on the lookout for others like ourselves who are willing to make up stuff that we can believe. ‘common belief’ is the only basis for ‘logical truths’ and while ‘logical truths’ cannot trump the truth of included-in-nature experience, they can be used to organize ‘bully groups’ to ‘make believers’ of others. this is the way the westernized world works, as recounted in ‘Custer Died For Our Sins.’

    ted

  • Anonymous  On October 27, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    Hello Mr Ted,

    easy first, Mr Sid is a retired therapist who has formed opinions based on some 40 years of observation which do not jibe at all with psychology. when he says the right brain is the seat of spirituality, he does not realize that the right brain is only a perception of spirituality. (or god, or cosmic standing wave or probabilities or nirvana or spacial forcing whatever) What interpretation we make depends on our world view. Obviously spirituality cannot start in the brain. Or put simply, “it ain’t real” whatever you chose to call it. But he has a good handle on what is happening with respect to providing insight useful to others who are seeking “fulfillment”. I see a tremendous difference in how you think.

    As to our differences, “two cognitive minds” is something I’ve been aware of since starting school, that’s why I developed a “crazy” defense mechanism. In any case I found out that to be able to accept the concept, one must already be aware of it, in which case I don’t need to tell him anything, he knows. On a logic level view the right mind operations as “data mining” which flags the left mind when a pattern is detected which is relevant. https://ellocogringo.wordpress.com/the-x-files/oracle/
    making relationships between seemingly unrelated patterns for the left mind to make sense of. Think of a person with access to the internet. Let’s say he wanted to find something about Schrodinger. Instead of googling it he decides to go down to the library. This is what imprinting has done, it’s pulled the plug on the computer, disabling the tremendous collating ability of the right mind. (in the west) It’s easy to dismiss as insight.

    My primary purpose in this series is to get you to the point of realizing the obstacles in communication. It is a pecularity of the right mind that concepts be made relevant to dealing with the world, IE it requires communication with a sentient being. That’s what Mr ? did. There is potential in your “pathfinder” mode. I think that’s what you do instead of top down thinking. I’ve forwarded a couple to DrB for vetting on comprehendability.

    Now, back to this midwifing thingie

    walt

  • Anonymous  On October 27, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    Mr Ted
    looked at that review, i liked your’s better. If one asks the question, “is it socialism or capitalism which is corrupt?” the answer is yes.

    *this is what makes it ‘GOD-like’ (absolute in what it ‘asserts’ to be ‘true’).*
    *we now have a whole that is ‘local’*

    yes, TRUTH instead of truth.

    *mysterious constant* Yes, we always seem to have these kludges to balance the equations like neutrons, dark matter, etc

    What do you think of these exerpts from Mr Sid (not an idiot. ) found here

    http://sidhere.com/flow-of-life/native-americans/

    *Many tribes used symbols to record their history… the right hemisphere cannot think in words, it only thinks in symbols.*

    I used to think this myself, you seem to think in concepts

    *The Native Americans have a sacred culture consistent with the right brain…if the left brain collapses there is an experience of no-thing and with it the end of duality.*

    If this happens in western civilization, we have an idiot savant. or a JBT. in eastern civilization the “buddha mind”. HMM!!!

    It would seem that there is need for a new lexicon. Western civilization seems crazy to me, I can’t imagine how bizarre it seems to you. As big AL said, “we need a new way of thinking”. something which incorporates the power of civilization with the finesse of the amerind. or put an outboard on the sailboat that we can kick in as needed. We don’t need power for nature, but to compete with civilization (in it’s present forms). Which brings us to the question,”Just what, Mr Ted, exactly, would you have your midwife deliver?” The Maori have an interesting worldview. If they had guns they wouldn’t have lost New Zealand. and they still maintain their “father sky”/mother earth. The idea of the “noble savage” is a myth. They like to fight as much as anyone else. War is part of the human condition, and is OK as long as we just make war on each other and not the earth. Yes much to ponder.

    walt

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